You make it sound as though Israel left Palestinians with no other choice, but that’s not entirely accurate. Decades of diplomacy, including efforts like the Oslo Accords, have failed to achieve lasting progress on core issues such as borders, settlements, and the status of Jerusalem.
I also know that some Palestinian families have obtain…
You make it sound as though Israel left Palestinians with no other choice, but that’s not entirely accurate. Decades of diplomacy, including efforts like the Oslo Accords, have failed to achieve lasting progress on core issues such as borders, settlements, and the status of Jerusalem.
I also know that some Palestinian families have obtained Israeli citizenship and enjoy the same legal rights as Israeli citizens, such as owning property, pursuing education, practicing their religion, and building careers. Though it’s worth noting it’s not a perfect system and that many Palestinian citizens of Israel report facing social and institutional discrimination. And the West Bank and Gaza do not have these rights unless they are granted Israeli citizenship, which is extremely rare.
Wouldn’t a more effective solution be a process like Ireland’s eventual separation from the UK—gradually building trust and working toward independence over time? Of course, the challenges here are far more complex, but building trust seems like an essential step toward a sustainable resolution.
Many Palestinians already want to coexist peacefully. The primary challenge lies with those who have been radicalized and raised to view Israel with hatred and a desire for its destruction on a fundamental level. Since Israel is a permanent reality in the region, the only viable path forward is for both sides to accept that coexistence is necessary and work toward finding a way to live together.
Individual humans have a choice. Societies, within a political and economic context, have incentives and tendencies.
My question to you was essentially: what is the most reasonable expectation you have of a population of millions of people living under the conditions that the Palestinians are living under. It’s usually hard to do this because we’ve been trained to think in reductive tribal terms, this is why I asked you to imagine a bunch of Americans living under those conditions. Please try and do that, imagine millions of random Americans in those conditions for 60 years. If you tell me that you would expect that all those people would accept that they will be forever under the rule of a state that will never give them rights; that most of them won’t feel animosity towards that state; that none of them would be radicalized; that none of them would turn to revolt and violence… then this conversation would be settled.
I’m not trying to adjudicate “who” is to blame. I’m trying to determine “what” conditions cause conflict.
You make it sound as though Israel left Palestinians with no other choice, but that’s not entirely accurate. Decades of diplomacy, including efforts like the Oslo Accords, have failed to achieve lasting progress on core issues such as borders, settlements, and the status of Jerusalem.
I also know that some Palestinian families have obtained Israeli citizenship and enjoy the same legal rights as Israeli citizens, such as owning property, pursuing education, practicing their religion, and building careers. Though it’s worth noting it’s not a perfect system and that many Palestinian citizens of Israel report facing social and institutional discrimination. And the West Bank and Gaza do not have these rights unless they are granted Israeli citizenship, which is extremely rare.
Wouldn’t a more effective solution be a process like Ireland’s eventual separation from the UK—gradually building trust and working toward independence over time? Of course, the challenges here are far more complex, but building trust seems like an essential step toward a sustainable resolution.
Many Palestinians already want to coexist peacefully. The primary challenge lies with those who have been radicalized and raised to view Israel with hatred and a desire for its destruction on a fundamental level. Since Israel is a permanent reality in the region, the only viable path forward is for both sides to accept that coexistence is necessary and work toward finding a way to live together.
Individual humans have a choice. Societies, within a political and economic context, have incentives and tendencies.
My question to you was essentially: what is the most reasonable expectation you have of a population of millions of people living under the conditions that the Palestinians are living under. It’s usually hard to do this because we’ve been trained to think in reductive tribal terms, this is why I asked you to imagine a bunch of Americans living under those conditions. Please try and do that, imagine millions of random Americans in those conditions for 60 years. If you tell me that you would expect that all those people would accept that they will be forever under the rule of a state that will never give them rights; that most of them won’t feel animosity towards that state; that none of them would be radicalized; that none of them would turn to revolt and violence… then this conversation would be settled.
I’m not trying to adjudicate “who” is to blame. I’m trying to determine “what” conditions cause conflict.