Jake Klein lied about the 1967 Six Day War, claiming Israel launched it - that requires both mental gymnastics and some artful deception. First thing, Israel only attacked Egypt on June 5th, after warning that Egypt blockading the Red Sea entrance to Israel (by closing the Strait of Tiran) is an act of war. So it was Egypt that started t…
Jake Klein lied about the 1967 Six Day War, claiming Israel launched it - that requires both mental gymnastics and some artful deception. First thing, Israel only attacked Egypt on June 5th, after warning that Egypt blockading the Red Sea entrance to Israel (by closing the Strait of Tiran) is an act of war. So it was Egypt that started the war. Next, Israel warned Jordan’s King Hussein to stay out of the war, yet his forces shelled Israel, damaging 900 houses, killing 20 and wounding 1000. So in this case Jordan started the war that ended with Israel conquering the occupied Judea and Samaria area back from Jordan (an area Jordan ethnically cleansed of 40,000 Jews in 1948, and that was never Jordanian territory before). Lastly, Syria did not get attacked by Israel until it shelled Israeli towns in the lower Galilee and Jordan Valley. Syria lost the Golan Heights after starting a war.
So the question is really why would Jake sell a propaganda lie about the 1967 Six Dat war? I doubt he’s ignorant on the facts.
As I go over in the video, the Strait of Tiran is a naval passage between Egypt and Saudi Arabia. The closure was intended to be part of an economic boycott. The first shots were fired unambiguously by Israel. Yes, Israel declared the Strait’s closure an act of war. I could declare your comment an act of war if I wanted to. Declaring something doesn’t make it so.
Everyone already understands that Israel and Hamas were in a state of war before October 7. Hence people say there was a “ceasefire” on October 6. Just like with Russia and Ukraine.
I don’t think the side that fires the first shot is necessarily wrong. Or necessarily right.
It doesn’t load for me. And this is one guy. I don’t know who he is or anything else. Dersh is also from Harvard law and agrees with me.
I don’t know what implications you would mean. Hamas and Israel were already in a state of war before October 7, yes. There was a ceasefire but still a state of war, yes. October 7 was a genocidal terroristic war crime. Russia and Ukraine were already in a state of war before February 22. It’s not like they signed a peace treaty before February 22.
You could also declare yourself something other than an anti-Israel propagandist, but that doesn’t change that you are. Notice how you avoided the fact that both Jordan and Syria fired first on Israeli citizens inside Israel proper before they got attacked. I wonder why you avoided those facts completely, Jake?
Because it’s not part of the question of who started the Six Day war and thus wasn’t what came up in the debate. You’re moving the goal posts to try to win some other debate from the one that was being had. If you want to say Jordan and Syria shouldn’t have been allied with Egypt, fine, make that argument. It’s not a question I’ve yet considered deeply. But I’m not a liar and I’m not a propagandist, you’re just experiencing cognitive dissonance and lashing out aggressively because of it. You might benefit from this other article of mine: https://www.wetheblacksheep.com/p/what-brings-you-meaning-in-life-is
Wait, your apologia for Jordan and Syria shelling Israeli civilians is “Israel attacked Egypt”? Ridiculous. I don’t need lectures from a token Jew of anti-Jewish racists, but thanks for the link.
Read it again. There wasn’t an apologia in there. WW1 started with the assassination of Franz Ferdinand and the Six Day War started with Israel attacking Egypt. That’s just the way it is, and you can have whatever thoughts about what happened in each war after that, but you can’t talk those facts away. If that truth makes you unable to control your anger, go express it somewhere else.
Anger? I’m sitting by a pool reading your mental contortions for my entertainment. You can’t have it both ways, Jake. If Israel started a war against Egypt by “shooting first”, as you claimed (let’s ignore that they promised to illegally shoot at any Israeli ship transporting the Starit of Tiran), then both Jordan and Syria started their war against Israel by shooting first. Your weird alliance argument violates your own logic, but I get it, you have an anti-Israel line to sell, always.
You're deranged. Make factual, respectful arguments or I will block you.
Notice how you're the one who needs to invent a weird conspiracy about how anyone who disagrees with you is some malicious propagandist. If you yourself were driven by facts instead of tribal derangement, you would stick to facts.
I did stick to the facts - Jordan and Syria attacked Israel in June 1967, and a result of that belligerence ended up losing Judea and Samaria and the Golan Heights in the subsequent war. What you and Jake Klein are doing is twisting facts to come out with an anti-Israel result. That’s propaganda.
Jake Klein lied about the 1967 Six Day War, claiming Israel launched it - that requires both mental gymnastics and some artful deception. First thing, Israel only attacked Egypt on June 5th, after warning that Egypt blockading the Red Sea entrance to Israel (by closing the Strait of Tiran) is an act of war. So it was Egypt that started the war. Next, Israel warned Jordan’s King Hussein to stay out of the war, yet his forces shelled Israel, damaging 900 houses, killing 20 and wounding 1000. So in this case Jordan started the war that ended with Israel conquering the occupied Judea and Samaria area back from Jordan (an area Jordan ethnically cleansed of 40,000 Jews in 1948, and that was never Jordanian territory before). Lastly, Syria did not get attacked by Israel until it shelled Israeli towns in the lower Galilee and Jordan Valley. Syria lost the Golan Heights after starting a war.
So the question is really why would Jake sell a propaganda lie about the 1967 Six Dat war? I doubt he’s ignorant on the facts.
As I go over in the video, the Strait of Tiran is a naval passage between Egypt and Saudi Arabia. The closure was intended to be part of an economic boycott. The first shots were fired unambiguously by Israel. Yes, Israel declared the Strait’s closure an act of war. I could declare your comment an act of war if I wanted to. Declaring something doesn’t make it so.
The difference is that Doctors Without Borders and Britannia encyclopedia don’t define Internet comments to be acts of war.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/blockade-warfare
Here’s legal analysis from the time from a Harvard University lawyer specializing in international law: https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1967/06/11/issue.html
His take away is that the legal case for Egypt’s right to the blockade was stronger than Israel’s legal case to the contrary.
As an aside, I’d keep in mind the implications calling a blockade casus belli for war has for Gaza prior to October 7th.
Everyone already understands that Israel and Hamas were in a state of war before October 7. Hence people say there was a “ceasefire” on October 6. Just like with Russia and Ukraine.
I don’t think the side that fires the first shot is necessarily wrong. Or necessarily right.
It doesn’t load for me. And this is one guy. I don’t know who he is or anything else. Dersh is also from Harvard law and agrees with me.
I don’t know what implications you would mean. Hamas and Israel were already in a state of war before October 7, yes. There was a ceasefire but still a state of war, yes. October 7 was a genocidal terroristic war crime. Russia and Ukraine were already in a state of war before February 22. It’s not like they signed a peace treaty before February 22.
https://guide-humanitarian-law.org/content/article/3/blockade/
“A blockade is an act of war”
You could also declare yourself something other than an anti-Israel propagandist, but that doesn’t change that you are. Notice how you avoided the fact that both Jordan and Syria fired first on Israeli citizens inside Israel proper before they got attacked. I wonder why you avoided those facts completely, Jake?
Because it’s not part of the question of who started the Six Day war and thus wasn’t what came up in the debate. You’re moving the goal posts to try to win some other debate from the one that was being had. If you want to say Jordan and Syria shouldn’t have been allied with Egypt, fine, make that argument. It’s not a question I’ve yet considered deeply. But I’m not a liar and I’m not a propagandist, you’re just experiencing cognitive dissonance and lashing out aggressively because of it. You might benefit from this other article of mine: https://www.wetheblacksheep.com/p/what-brings-you-meaning-in-life-is
Wait, your apologia for Jordan and Syria shelling Israeli civilians is “Israel attacked Egypt”? Ridiculous. I don’t need lectures from a token Jew of anti-Jewish racists, but thanks for the link.
Read it again. There wasn’t an apologia in there. WW1 started with the assassination of Franz Ferdinand and the Six Day War started with Israel attacking Egypt. That’s just the way it is, and you can have whatever thoughts about what happened in each war after that, but you can’t talk those facts away. If that truth makes you unable to control your anger, go express it somewhere else.
Anger? I’m sitting by a pool reading your mental contortions for my entertainment. You can’t have it both ways, Jake. If Israel started a war against Egypt by “shooting first”, as you claimed (let’s ignore that they promised to illegally shoot at any Israeli ship transporting the Starit of Tiran), then both Jordan and Syria started their war against Israel by shooting first. Your weird alliance argument violates your own logic, but I get it, you have an anti-Israel line to sell, always.
You're blocked. Another Zionist that can't restrain themselves from insulting anyone who questions them.
You're deranged. Make factual, respectful arguments or I will block you.
Notice how you're the one who needs to invent a weird conspiracy about how anyone who disagrees with you is some malicious propagandist. If you yourself were driven by facts instead of tribal derangement, you would stick to facts.
I did stick to the facts - Jordan and Syria attacked Israel in June 1967, and a result of that belligerence ended up losing Judea and Samaria and the Golan Heights in the subsequent war. What you and Jake Klein are doing is twisting facts to come out with an anti-Israel result. That’s propaganda.