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Joseph (Jake) Klein's avatar

Yes, but I don't think there's value in maintaining a group merely for maintaining a group's sake. I wouldn't agree that the descendants of the neighbors of ancient Judea—the Phoenicians, Arameans, Nabateans, etc.—are necessarily worse off for not being part of those cultural groupings anymore, having instead been integrated into other ones.

We have to ask, at what cost is it not worth it to save one's identity/culture/religion? Not all identities/cultures/religions are equally good, and not all elements of them are equally worth preserving.

I discuss in the article in detail the increasing popularity of theocrats in Israel that would prevent assimilation by force, so you should be able to see that. Given how birthrates are changing demographics in Israel, their influence is likely to increase substantially over the next few decades. And that's not even to mention how strong cultural authoritarianism alone can prevent the free assimilation of Jews. I'd highly recommend watching this great documentary on Netflix about that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_of_Us_(2017_film)

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Olga's avatar

As I said before - anybody is free to assimilate, you do not need to destroy a country for this purpose.

Because if you want to assimilate it should not to be a country whose traditions you want to forget.

What you are trying to say seems to me is you will forcefully assimilate those who does not want to.

Leave the country and assimilate anywhere…

I think there is a huge value in existing of Jews, and even if I was born and grew up not religious I have a great respect to those who keep our traditions and philosophy…

I am very glad about the current demographic…

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Joseph (Jake) Klein's avatar

Arguing I'm trying to "forcefully" assimilate people after reading a 5,500 word essay entirely about the importance of religious freedom is malicious and absurd. You sound exactly like the awful Maccabees who saw the free practice of Hellenized Jews as in conflict with their own freedom to oppress. I'm arguing for what people should do, not telling them what they must do.

If you're happy about theocrats coming into power, I hope you'll be equally happy when Israel loses all international support and its less religious population suffers for their benefit.

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Olga's avatar

You were using the word assimilation, and it is fine. But it seems to me you are trying to say what people must do… religious freedom does not mean to dictate your moral preferences and bringing help of “international community” in order to dictate and eventually destroy the country. International community never supported Israel to begin with, and definitely with the help of assimilated Jews on the first place never tried to bring peace to this land.

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