There is a dehumanizing aspect to those who are pro choice that none talks about. That is the reason for the 2nd trimester abortions. It is mostly because the woman or couple find out that the child has Down syndrome or some other disability. This is not the same thing as if the family knows the child has Tay Sachs for which there is no …
There is a dehumanizing aspect to those who are pro choice that none talks about. That is the reason for the 2nd trimester abortions. It is mostly because the woman or couple find out that the child has Down syndrome or some other disability. This is not the same thing as if the family knows the child has Tay Sachs for which there is no cure and no hope of a cure. The truth is our society does not actually value life. It values perfection.
Another reason is there are sex selective abortions as well. Abortion is also a war on unborn females as the issue in China and even India proves.
People, societies, cultures need to learn to value life, all life.
Well when they are aborting a child because it is female what would you call it if not a war on unborn females? There is a terrific documentary from years ago “The 3 most dangerous words- It’s a girl” abortion is not merely about American culture.
But it’s also indicative of how a culture views females at any stage of their lives.
You're doing that thing where you dehumanise people and make assumptions about situations you know nothing about.
When you have children already and you're faced with difficult situations that will greatly impact their quality of life, you might suddenly realise the extent of the scars you would take on to your own soul in order to protect them.
This is what I am talking about. Why is there scars to bring a disabled child into the world? That is what is dehumanizing. That is why in countries that allow suicide, they allow perfectly healthy autistics to commit suicide. The disabled are nor considered fully human
You've misunderstood my comment. Many parents choose to abort disabled fetuses because of the negative impact they believe it will have on their children. They will take on the burden of having an abortion, including the belief they may go to hell over it, because they believe it is best for their family as a whole.
It's nothing to do with "valuing perfection over life." It is looking into your children's eyes, the ones right in front of you whose wellbeing is your highest priority, and deciding what is best for them. You might disagree with their choice, but that's not the point.
I can only imagine you've never been in that situation to think that's what's going on when parents go through that heartbreak.
Also, because you mentioned autistics, I have Asperger's. My oldest child is very likely neurodivergent. These things factor into people's decisions when weighing up whether they can realistically meet the needs of potential future children. This stuff is complicated, and people who make different choices than you would are no less human.
Both of my sons are autistic so I am very attuned t o how the disabled are treated and thought of. I also never said those making these decisions are not human. I said I wished they viewed their disabled unborn children as human.
Sex selective abortions were pushed on India and China by the west through the world Bank and IMF. They were terrified that many new babies would mean more communism. They decided limiting the number of women would limit population growth and pushed family planning methods in all kinds of ways including supporting a literal dictatorship in forcibly vasectomizing the poor.
Think about it - why would son-preference mean aborting daughters unless you were pressured to have only one or two children in some way? When I look back to my grandparents' and great-grandparents' generations, they had anywhere between 3 to 10 kids, and they were of either gender in any birth order. This is even through the worst famines. They valued all their children. If they had a son preference, they'd stop having kids when they has a son... but they didn't. And I have a great-aunt who was born disabled in the 1920s and was the apple of her parents' eye, rescued from polio, educated highly... people who'd do sex selective abortions don't do that.
I cannot speak to your family’s experience, but both of these cultures still value males over females. And the China issue comes from their 1 child policy back in the 20th century. That is why there are over 100 million Chinese men who will never find a bride in their society. India is a different issue. It is actually illegal in India to have sex selective abortions. So i do not think it has anything to do with the IMF or the World Bank. Banning sex selective abortions had to come from something going on in Indian society itself. If an outside force wanted to get rid of females and had control of a country they would not have allowed that law.
Now on the other hand, when a nation has rapid population growth as they did in India but no way to feed these people, then the realistic thing is to limit the population. So yes, vasectomies may have been prescribed. And yes abortions may have been used as a form of birth control. But considering that India is still one of the most dangerous countries for women, the culture and the dowry murder reality proves that as well, I don’t think sex selective abortions was the idea of some foreign cabal.
As an Indian woman I've had more horrible things happen to me on the NYC subway and the streets of San Francisco than anywhere in India. When there was even a sign of misbehavior on public transit in my hometown, men stood up for the woman and ensured she was safe. When worse things happened to me on the NYC subway and I fought off my groper, no one there did anything to help other than to tell me I should probably not kick the man like I was (this was in 2012).
Look at statistics of SA in India vs the US. Indian rates are minuscule. You can say there is underreporting but an analysis of registered rape cases in Delhi showed only 1% were genuine https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38796457
India has had female heads of government and heads of state for decades already and America still struggles with the very idea of a woman in power. India's current president is a woman from a very backward tribe, and any and all discourse about her has been of respect. Contrast this with Americans photoshopping Sarah Palin's face onto porn, or calling Hillary Clinton a shrew, or saying that kamala harris slept her way up. Heck, even when Bill Clinton was proved to be exploiting his intern, she was publicly vilified and mocked while he is still highly respected.
Your words are rooted in ignorance and fear of acknowledging the misogyny you live in.
Again I cannot argue with your personal experience here or in India, but what I do know is that my sister was told a few years ago not to go to India on business because it was not safe for her since she would be traveling alone by people she works with who are Indian. So that is my personal experience which is just as valid as yours.
And yes, India does have a rape problem. Why you wouldn’t admit it I don’t know. I also don’t care. That is your problem, not mine. It is consistently listed as a country with this issue by international groups.
I am not a misogynist, being female, and I am not ignorant, because I base my opinions on facts. And the documentary i pointed out is quite specific about India and its cultural preference for sons, and the pew research from 2022 proves that nothing has changed since the documentary has been made.
But since you devolved into name calling I am done with this discussion. By name calling you only prove I am wasting my time.
There is a dehumanizing aspect to those who are pro choice that none talks about. That is the reason for the 2nd trimester abortions. It is mostly because the woman or couple find out that the child has Down syndrome or some other disability. This is not the same thing as if the family knows the child has Tay Sachs for which there is no cure and no hope of a cure. The truth is our society does not actually value life. It values perfection.
Another reason is there are sex selective abortions as well. Abortion is also a war on unborn females as the issue in China and even India proves.
People, societies, cultures need to learn to value life, all life.
I respect your opinions, but alas, as long as you're using language like "a war on unborn females," I doubt we'll find much common ground here.
Well when they are aborting a child because it is female what would you call it if not a war on unborn females? There is a terrific documentary from years ago “The 3 most dangerous words- It’s a girl” abortion is not merely about American culture.
But it’s also indicative of how a culture views females at any stage of their lives.
And we don’t have to agree that’s fine.
https://itsagirlmovie.com/
here is the TEd talk about the issue of gendercide
https://youtu.be/qeSYN2c8f_A?si=OBoJ7IRX0qjUD9j1
You're doing that thing where you dehumanise people and make assumptions about situations you know nothing about.
When you have children already and you're faced with difficult situations that will greatly impact their quality of life, you might suddenly realise the extent of the scars you would take on to your own soul in order to protect them.
This is what I am talking about. Why is there scars to bring a disabled child into the world? That is what is dehumanizing. That is why in countries that allow suicide, they allow perfectly healthy autistics to commit suicide. The disabled are nor considered fully human
You've misunderstood my comment. Many parents choose to abort disabled fetuses because of the negative impact they believe it will have on their children. They will take on the burden of having an abortion, including the belief they may go to hell over it, because they believe it is best for their family as a whole.
It's nothing to do with "valuing perfection over life." It is looking into your children's eyes, the ones right in front of you whose wellbeing is your highest priority, and deciding what is best for them. You might disagree with their choice, but that's not the point.
I can only imagine you've never been in that situation to think that's what's going on when parents go through that heartbreak.
Also, because you mentioned autistics, I have Asperger's. My oldest child is very likely neurodivergent. These things factor into people's decisions when weighing up whether they can realistically meet the needs of potential future children. This stuff is complicated, and people who make different choices than you would are no less human.
Both of my sons are autistic so I am very attuned t o how the disabled are treated and thought of. I also never said those making these decisions are not human. I said I wished they viewed their disabled unborn children as human.
Sex selective abortions were pushed on India and China by the west through the world Bank and IMF. They were terrified that many new babies would mean more communism. They decided limiting the number of women would limit population growth and pushed family planning methods in all kinds of ways including supporting a literal dictatorship in forcibly vasectomizing the poor.
Think about it - why would son-preference mean aborting daughters unless you were pressured to have only one or two children in some way? When I look back to my grandparents' and great-grandparents' generations, they had anywhere between 3 to 10 kids, and they were of either gender in any birth order. This is even through the worst famines. They valued all their children. If they had a son preference, they'd stop having kids when they has a son... but they didn't. And I have a great-aunt who was born disabled in the 1920s and was the apple of her parents' eye, rescued from polio, educated highly... people who'd do sex selective abortions don't do that.
I cannot speak to your family’s experience, but both of these cultures still value males over females. And the China issue comes from their 1 child policy back in the 20th century. That is why there are over 100 million Chinese men who will never find a bride in their society. India is a different issue. It is actually illegal in India to have sex selective abortions. So i do not think it has anything to do with the IMF or the World Bank. Banning sex selective abortions had to come from something going on in Indian society itself. If an outside force wanted to get rid of females and had control of a country they would not have allowed that law.
Now on the other hand, when a nation has rapid population growth as they did in India but no way to feed these people, then the realistic thing is to limit the population. So yes, vasectomies may have been prescribed. And yes abortions may have been used as a form of birth control. But considering that India is still one of the most dangerous countries for women, the culture and the dowry murder reality proves that as well, I don’t think sex selective abortions was the idea of some foreign cabal.
Here is Pew Research on son preference in India from 2022
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/03/02/son-preference-and-abortion/
https://www.bbc.com/news/14213136
As an Indian woman I've had more horrible things happen to me on the NYC subway and the streets of San Francisco than anywhere in India. When there was even a sign of misbehavior on public transit in my hometown, men stood up for the woman and ensured she was safe. When worse things happened to me on the NYC subway and I fought off my groper, no one there did anything to help other than to tell me I should probably not kick the man like I was (this was in 2012).
Look at statistics of SA in India vs the US. Indian rates are minuscule. You can say there is underreporting but an analysis of registered rape cases in Delhi showed only 1% were genuine https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38796457
India has had female heads of government and heads of state for decades already and America still struggles with the very idea of a woman in power. India's current president is a woman from a very backward tribe, and any and all discourse about her has been of respect. Contrast this with Americans photoshopping Sarah Palin's face onto porn, or calling Hillary Clinton a shrew, or saying that kamala harris slept her way up. Heck, even when Bill Clinton was proved to be exploiting his intern, she was publicly vilified and mocked while he is still highly respected.
Your words are rooted in ignorance and fear of acknowledging the misogyny you live in.
Again I cannot argue with your personal experience here or in India, but what I do know is that my sister was told a few years ago not to go to India on business because it was not safe for her since she would be traveling alone by people she works with who are Indian. So that is my personal experience which is just as valid as yours.
And yes, India does have a rape problem. Why you wouldn’t admit it I don’t know. I also don’t care. That is your problem, not mine. It is consistently listed as a country with this issue by international groups.
I am not a misogynist, being female, and I am not ignorant, because I base my opinions on facts. And the documentary i pointed out is quite specific about India and its cultural preference for sons, and the pew research from 2022 proves that nothing has changed since the documentary has been made.
But since you devolved into name calling I am done with this discussion. By name calling you only prove I am wasting my time.